Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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In January 1759 (before the fall of quebec), Etienne de Silhouette (in the 1750s, at times, main royal comissioner of the French indies company, minister of finances, and main negociator (with De la Gallissonniere) of the pre-7YW North american boundary comission) Proposed to exchange Canada for Georgia:
"Canada, landlocked between the English colonies, a bone of contention and the object of ambition for the British nation [...] is not such an advantageous settlement for France that she could not be well compensated by an exchange of possession with England, into which the colony of Canada could be transplanted: this is Georgia. [...] The air there is more temperate, and more analogous to that of France than is that of Canada; the country is more susceptible to cultivation and various productions, which would procure a more extensive trade, increase the wealth of the inhabitants [...] by bringing them closer and reuniting them in some way with the colony of Louisiana. [...] An exchange treaty [...] would establish in an invariable manner the limits of the respective possessions, would cut off the root of future claims and could in a few years procure inestimable riches for France; [...] by the new position of the colony of Canada, [...] this nation would become, so to speak, the mistress of navigation of the Gulf of Mexico and the most respectable of all those of Europe established in America."
Mémoire de Silhouette, p.256.
Now this probably was utopian in the context of the war, and well, Silhouette was not known for carrying through his proposals (his name, after all, became a French and English word...); but he was important, and as the main French negociator for the anglo french boundary comission, had the 7YW in america been delayed, it's likely this would have been seriously proposed by the French.
For comparison, in 1760, Canada had 60-70,000 frenchmen, nearly entirely free; Georgia had 10,000 americans , 2/3 free. Both colonies had vast native populations who controled most of the territory.
"Canada, landlocked between the English colonies, a bone of contention and the object of ambition for the British nation [...] is not such an advantageous settlement for France that she could not be well compensated by an exchange of possession with England, into which the colony of Canada could be transplanted: this is Georgia. [...] The air there is more temperate, and more analogous to that of France than is that of Canada; the country is more susceptible to cultivation and various productions, which would procure a more extensive trade, increase the wealth of the inhabitants [...] by bringing them closer and reuniting them in some way with the colony of Louisiana. [...] An exchange treaty [...] would establish in an invariable manner the limits of the respective possessions, would cut off the root of future claims and could in a few years procure inestimable riches for France; [...] by the new position of the colony of Canada, [...] this nation would become, so to speak, the mistress of navigation of the Gulf of Mexico and the most respectable of all those of Europe established in America."
Mémoire de Silhouette, p.256.
Now this probably was utopian in the context of the war, and well, Silhouette was not known for carrying through his proposals (his name, after all, became a French and English word...); but he was important, and as the main French negociator for the anglo french boundary comission, had the 7YW in america been delayed, it's likely this would have been seriously proposed by the French.
For comparison, in 1760, Canada had 60-70,000 frenchmen, nearly entirely free; Georgia had 10,000 americans , 2/3 free. Both colonies had vast native populations who controled most of the territory.
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The "Five Fingers of Tibet", Maoist China's irredentist claims to Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, and Arunachal north of the McMahon Line
Has there been any historical proposals for an independent Jewish state in Europe?
There have been historically-Jewish (ruled) states in Europe. Aside from the Khazar Khanate (and proposals for Jewish Crimea), there's also Septimania.
I'd love to see more scenarios with Septimania, tbh. It's an interesting story. As a region on the Frankish-Andalusian Frontier, Septimania was subject to raids and incursions by both Muslims and Christians, Umayyads and Carolingians -- but neither side was able to enforce their authority on the region. So, Pepin the Short appointed Makhir ben Habibai -- a Jewish scholar -- to be the hereditary lord of Septimania. Septimania became an autonomous region, paying tribute to and receiving patronage from both the Moors and the Franks, and becoming a home for Jews as well as Arian Christians from the Visigothic Kingdom, and surviving Gothic pagans.
Of course, Muslim Andalusia would be generally more tolerant of Jews than mediaeval Christendom -- but it seems that early on, that wasn't always the case, as a Frankish king was willing to grant a Jewish rabbi a feudal title.
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Not any post-Zionism. Zionism is based on the idea that the Jews are no longer safe in Europe, so a European Jewish state would be counter to Herzl's ideas.
Filibusters and financiers; the story of William Walker and his associates
by Scroggs, William O. (William Oscar), 1879-1957