Red Alert - Our 1953 USSR

[Gaúcho Maldito]

Please choose the next leader of USSR:
A) Georgy Malenkov
B) Vyacheslav Molotov
C) Kliment Voroshilov
D) Nikita Khrushchev
E) Nikolai Bulganin
F) Lazar Kaganovich
G) Anastas Mikoyan
H) Gregory Zhukov

* Beria is locked out by me, as his choice most likely would end the Cold War quickly, killing the sense of this game.

H) for rule of cool.

It basically means that the Soviet revolution will fall to Bonapartism, and that the power of the Communist Party is going to be greatly decreased. The prelude to a Zukhov takeover should be a Beria takover that annoys the Red Army enough for it to launch a coup and places Zukhov as a reluctant leader. This change in the balance of power may raise some eyebrows in Eastern Europe and shake the early dynamics of the Warsaw Pact, but it may place the USSR in the right reformist direction.

Maybe this inspires Comrade Lin Biao too...

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

I like the idea that @midnight77 had that Zhukov takes over.

If we cannot get Zhukov, Bulganin is my vote.

What the idea?

 

[Lord Enot]

Please choose the next leader of USSR:
A) Georgy Malenkov

The most logical and truthful option after Stalin's death. Although he won't be thrown out of office like in OTL?

* Beria is locked out by me, as his choice most likely would end the Cold War quickly, killing the sense of this game.

Would trust the words of politicians, and especially the heads of intelligence and counterintelligence playing to populism. Really?

Zhukov's closeness with Eisenhower would not be seen favorably by rest of the government.
Also, was he even interested in becoming the head of state?

Zhukov was thrown out of power at the time of Stalin's death, and then Khrushchev and Beria remembered him in order to gain the support of the army in their confrontation with Malenkov. After the coup took place, he was kept in the top circles for some time, and then effortlessly thrown out. And so from the point of view of managing the country, well, he is such an option.

 

[Joaquin 22]

Option h Zhukov

 

[Fratsup]

Whichever pushes for Russification.

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

Whichever pushes for Russification.

Absolutely, specially in Ukraine and Belarus. One of the good things the corn guy did was giving Crimea to Ukraine, but it should've been followed by an intense russification campaign. Use the Ukrainian Insurgent Army as a justification.

 

[panpiotr]

H) for rule of cool.

It basically means that the Soviet revolution will fall to Bonapartism, and that the power of the Communist Party is going to be greatly decreased. The prelude to a Zukhov takeover should be a Beria takover that annoys the Red Army enough for it to launch a coup and places Zukhov as a reluctant leader. This change in the balance of power may raise some eyebrows in Eastern Europe and shake the early dynamics of the Warsaw Pact, but it may place the USSR in the right reformist direction.

Maybe this inspires Comrade Lin Biao too...

The most logical and truthful option after Stalin's death. Although he won't be thrown out of office like in OTL?

Would trust the words of politicians, and especially the heads of intelligence and counterintelligence playing to populism. Really?

Zhukov was thrown out of power at the time of Stalin's death, and then Khrushchev and Beria remembered him in order to gain the support of the army in their confrontation with Malenkov. After the coup took place, he was kept in the top circles for some time, and then effortlessly thrown out. And so from the point of view of managing the country, well, he is such an option.

Option h Zhukov

Well, I don't want to destroy the CPSU - so i think i will go with Zhukov as Soviet Eisenhower, that is general-turned-politician.

 

[Red Angel]

Of course some people wants to continue Russification... I don't mind if it's with Belarus and Ukraine but I'm vehemently against it with the Baltic, Caucasus and Central Asia though.

 

[Ryan lozano]

Oh guys I want to say here that a few years back the UN Jews relocation vote was made so we might want to help find a solution to a already bad situation where the Jews are literally imperialist “colonizers” to the Palestinians even though that spot where they live was where most Jews mythical historic figure were (in short maybe find a way to make both sides join as one rather then make Israel just a Jew nation because look how bad it got and how Palestinians are treated)

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

Oh guys I want to say here that a few years back the UN Jews relocation vote was made so we might want to help find a solution to a already bad situation where the Jews are literally imperialist “colonizers” to the Palestinians even though that spot where they live was where most Jews mythical historic figure were (in short maybe find a way to make both sides join as one rather then make Israel just a Jew nation because look how bad it got and how Palestinians are treated)

Fair enough.

A more cynical person may argue that Israel existing and being what it is is in fact good for the USSR, because it makes the Arabs hate the West. But yeah, I do believe the most sane and kind solution would be a plural state in Palestine, without expelling anyone from their homes.

Think of Lebanon, but hopefully more stable.

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

I don't mind if it's with Belarus and Ukraine but I'm vehemently against it with the Baltic, Caucasus and Central Asia though.

This is reasonable. After all, the USSR still wants to be seen as the good guys.

 

[Red Angel]

This is reasonable. After all, the USSR still wants to be seen as the good guys.

Not just that but it would cause problems for us if we spread it to those regions...
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Also, I'd like for the USSR to move from State atheism to secularism, or at least create a socialist version of the different religions though.

 

[Fratsup]

I mean I was talking mostly on the Baltic and central asia since those regions are the most likely to leave if we ever get weak. Ukraine and Belarus neer much less work and just need us to not be awful or falling apart to tow the line. Plus the way things are going it would be much easier to do since the Baltic and Kazakhstan have smaller populations that we can more easily overrun.

 

[ThePinkRabbit]

Please choose the next leader of USSR:
A) Georgy Malenkov
B) Vyacheslav Molotov
C) Kliment Voroshilov
D) Nikita Khrushchev
E) Nikolai Bulganin
F) Lazar Kaganovich
G) Anastas Mikoyan
H) Gregory Zhukov

* Beria is locked out by me, as his choice most likely would end the Cold War quickly, killing the sense of this game.

Zhukov

 

[Hafiz van Gresik]

Please choose the next leader of USSR:
A) Georgy Malenkov

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

Not just that but it would cause problems for us if we spread it to those regions...
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Also, I'd like for the USSR to move from State atheism to secularism, or at least create a socialist version of the different religions though.

State atheism is a waste of time and resources.

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

I mean I was talking mostly on the Baltic and central asia since those regions are the most likely to leave if we ever get weak. Ukraine and Belarus neer much less work and just need us to not be awful or falling apart to tow the line. Plus the way things are going it would be much easier to do since the Baltic and Kazakhstan have smaller populations that we can more easily overrun.

Central Asia is loyal, it just needs to be respected. The Baltics can be crushed easily by a few NKVD divisions. The Caucasus hate eachother more than they dislike Moscow.

It's Ukraine we must be watchful about.

 

[Ryan lozano]

Oh guys if we’re smart enough we can get the British to collaspe on themselves if we’re stable enough where Winston thinks that the empire is worth saving rather then economically stabilizing it could be good for us and also maybe stage a potential revolution in India since Winston is more paranoid that he flubs Gandhi move for peaceful independence

 

[Fratsup]

I mean if things go well we will most likely colonize Central Asia anyways as we develop it and make it a more enticing region for Russians. The Baltic if important for its position in the Baltic Sea and Ukraine is not going to do anything before say Poland or Hungary.

 

[Red Angel]

While it's true but forcing them to Russification will just make them want to leave us than dealing with the unrest, we're trying to be the good guys ffs...

State atheism is a waste of time and resources.

Pretty much since that has caused problems for us in Eastern Europe, especially in Poland since they're very Catholic.