Sequel de Mayo (Cinco de Mayo, Vol. II)
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As in to the present day? My idea was that they only stay in Charlotte until the “Confederate Warlord Period” ends in the 20’s.
The weakened national government remains in Charlotte. But maybe they’re being controlled by a junta founded by Confederacy’s last remaining army. Maybe this junta resides in Richmond. Maybe they reside somewhere else until the “state of national emergency” ends.
The gist is that however the Confederacy is restabilized the capital would be returned to Richmond after that. No retcons would be needed.
Presuming the US takes down to Fredericksburg, the longest distance of OTL WWI Artillery *can* make it to Richmond, but that type of artillery strikes me as *very* expensive to keep up in peacetime...
TheLoneAmigo
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Having just returned from visiting Buenos Aires, already an incredible city, a stable and affluent Argentina will surely mean that ATL BA is one of the world's great cities. It holds 15 million people in OTL.
Argentina's economy seems like it's on a path more like that of Australia than OTL Argentina - likely to be a very wealthy country by global standards. And unlike Australia, Argentina's constitution (Article 25) enshrines a very strong pro- migration policy.
With those two factors, ATL Argentina and BA in particular are surely going to attract far more migrants from a much wider array of sources than OTL.
Immigation to Argentina is going to fall into two major groups, European and South American. I'd expect all of the OTL European countries that I think of with significant immigration iOTL (Spain, Italy and Germany) are likely to have smaller communities, OTOH, I expect more Chileans (with their next decade of being a mess)
Hmmm, seems to me that in TTL the "ABC Alliance" is going to be a much bigger factor on the international scale?
Randy
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Apksmartgang
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Regarding the whole Great American War, it's kinda like the American Civil War meets OTL's World War I from what I've read. I'm guessing it will be memorialized as much as them.
TheLoneAmigo
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Given the lack of a White Argentina policy (which is more or less constitutionally forbidden under Article 25) unlike Australia, they may end up attracting more Asian migrants than OTL. The distance is certainly further - but that didn't stop substantially Japanese immigration to Brazil.
Most of Argentina's huge Italian and Spanish OTL migration was pre-1920, so I'm not sure *that* much has changed in terms of push factors - and the pull factors are going to be a lot stronger. And the CEW will probably create another period of chaos and high emigration in many countries...
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Apksmartgang
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For the timeline and it's author, I'm glad I learned who they were when I first read it up. Seems pretty interesting.
Would Texas be more of a semi-presidential republic, then? It'd be funny to see in wikiboxes listing separate heads of government and heads of state for the country. One guy serving for like 20 years as President of the Senate and massively influencing Texas while you see a revolving door of presidents. I'd guess an LBJ reformist type figure eventually reforms the electoral system in 1970 just in time for the 19th triennial Presidential election. Maybe it'll be reformed into a unicameral parliamentary system. Who knows.
See, this post is what reminded me that LBJ is arguably the most gifted parliamentarian in US history and that this system is basically as fine-tuned as possible for LBJ to just let loose and basically own Texas to his death. I actually think I get the gist of how this Second Republic will go, though I will wait to see it play out...
The only bet I will make is that LBJ will either lead the reforms of the Third Republic, or his death will instigate a political crisis that leads to said reforms.
mortonofski
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With his adorable little cowboy hat? I expect he'll be leading the defence at the Sabine within weeks.
wikipedia.en - Civic Union (Argentina)
The Civic Union (Spanish: Union Civica) was an Argentine political party. Founded in 1890 during the Revolution of the Park that ended the old, conservative landed oligarchy that had ruled the country mostly uninterrupted since independence, the Civic Union was a progressive organization that represented the interests of the middle and lower classes, led by moderate aristocrats such as Bartolome Mitre, educated intelligentsia such as Leandro Alem, and radicals such as Alem's nephew, Hipolito Yrigoyen. Though initially founded on a platform of universal suffrage, the party's dominance allowed it to transform Argentina into one of the most politically progressive polities on Earth - a program known as Alemismo after its chief founder - in which the country was officially secularized, major labor and immigration rights were constitutionalized, and minor land and education reforms were carried out.
The party won every election between 1892 and 1910, with Alem serving as President twice (1892-98 and 1904-10); due to major personalist splits between its moderate and radical wings, however, Alem worked to block his nephew's ambitions by supporting the independent candidacy of Luis Drago in 1910 and his protege Francisco Barroetavena in 1916, which led to Yrigoyen's decision to abandon the party and form his own, the Radical Party, ahead of that year's elections, which Yrigoyen only barely lost. The party's reliance on Alem - he had been the government's major force even behind the scenes in the periods 1898-04 and 1910-16, in which he helped prosecute the Great American War - limited its ability to reform after his death in October 1916 and it eventually collapsed with the conclusion of Barroetavena's term, with its left wing remaining with Yrigoyen and its right wing joining forces with Lisandro de la Torre's liberal-conservative Democratic Progressive Party. However, as both the surviving remnants of the UC were firmly dedicated to the ideology of Alemismo, the party's influence lives on in modern Argentina as its core policies are regarded as foundational aspects of the state.
The party won every election between 1892 and 1910, with Alem serving as President twice (1892-98 and 1904-10); due to major personalist splits between its moderate and radical wings, however, Alem worked to block his nephew's ambitions by supporting the independent candidacy of Luis Drago in 1910 and his protege Francisco Barroetavena in 1916, which led to Yrigoyen's decision to abandon the party and form his own, the Radical Party, ahead of that year's elections, which Yrigoyen only barely lost. The party's reliance on Alem - he had been the government's major force even behind the scenes in the periods 1898-04 and 1910-16, in which he helped prosecute the Great American War - limited its ability to reform after his death in October 1916 and it eventually collapsed with the conclusion of Barroetavena's term, with its left wing remaining with Yrigoyen and its right wing joining forces with Lisandro de la Torre's liberal-conservative Democratic Progressive Party. However, as both the surviving remnants of the UC were firmly dedicated to the ideology of Alemismo, the party's influence lives on in modern Argentina as its core policies are regarded as foundational aspects of the state.
Does Universal Sufferage in this Context include Women's right to vote? I know the US is likely to get women's right to vote in the 4 years after the war, and that seems like something that Argentina would tend to do as well. iOTL, Chile is likely to have it earlier, when the socialists win and write their constitution. (1949 in our TL.).
Neither Australian nor New Zealand would seem to be *that* much slower than OTL,
Canada, I was surprised to read in Wikipedia didn't have full suffrage granted in terms of Gender until Quebec in 1940! (Asian and Inuit suffrage was later, but not by gender) and Mexico didn't reach full women's suffrage until 1953.
But it is the idea’s natural, if extremely stupid, natural conclusion, however haha
Has any peace treaty in history placed restrictions/dictats on where the losing party may domicile their capital within their sovereign territory? It’d be novel, for sure, just seems very unlikely based on the diplomacy of the day
Makes sense. Or returning to Richmond is seen as a triumphant victory of “re-establishing” federal control or something
Indeed
Australia is in fact a major inspiration for this alt-Arg.
BA proper almost already has high levels of density but the metro would definitely be much bigger and developed as a global Alpha city
“Alliance” isn’t the word I’d choose but, yes, Arg/Brazil will be much more important states
Bear in mind that Italian emigration fell off hard after WW1, so it could keep up ITTL.
That’s the idea (of long-serving legislative leaders with as you said revolving doors Presidentially)
LBJ and Sam Rayburn are exactly who I had in mind when devising this
Idk, probably? Don’t know anything about it
For now, just men, but women will be soon in the postwar
Perhaps.
Maybe Beckley, WV becomes the home of the US Airborne?
Specifically to be able to stomp on Charlotte and secure the Confederate government with two days' notice, at least at first...