Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

There is also the fact that OTL I don't think anyone could have defended the Philippines - and Big Mac was a know quantity as far as the Philippine Government (and US Government) was concerned

Granted someone else might have made a better job of it before and during (see my earlier notes about the tank units being operationally 'orphaned' ) - but the USA was not ready for war in Dec 1941 and the Philippines army was certainly not ready (made worse by the rapid last minute expansion of the army) - so a better OTL performance leadership wise is effectively rearranging deckchairs on the titanic as it sinks

ITTL however given the Japanese would be desperate for reinforcements many of the follow up units and other resources to that campaign are likely to have been redirected to the Malaya campaign making the struggle on the Philippines a much more equal affair
 
The Philippines couldn't be defended, but Mac's insistence that they could led to him redistributing supplies away from Bataan, so at least some of this is actually his fault.
 
Ah the discussion here (as usual in British timelines) is just about BR catering
And water is wet.


That being said, let just hope a longer British administration of Malaya, and a more British friendly administration post independence does not affect Malayan Railway catering in a bad way (which are already meh enough that the no outside food policy inside the train were never really enforced IOTL)
/s...or probably not
Edit: You know what, I think I could just make a (very) short post of a theoretical future (slightly more successful Malayan Railway/KTMB) that is kinda based on this timeline on the Alternate Railways thread during this or next Aidilfitri (22/23 April) weekend. (Those who have an account could check my test thread for notes for the eventual post).
 
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Just how much will the numerous small changes in British preparedness effect the eventual Japanese invasion of Malaya. Let us start with what is probably the least costly, but in all probability the most significant and effective change that has taken place. And the one that will have a major effect on any invasion, and do more to defeat it than any other. This is the change in the administrative process, with the Governor General, now having a regular, every Monday morning minuted meeting with first his inner war council, followed by a similar recorded and minuted meeting with his general council. I am of the opinion that this action will have the greatest impact for minimum cost, on future events, and will be the precursor to all the subsequent changes that take place. The modernisation of the administration, has made the colonies Malaya and Singapore both more defensible, resilient and equipped to cope with the invasion. Were as IOTL, once the Japanese invaded, the civil and military authorities began to collapse and lost all control over the countries. ITTL, those same authorities will retain the control, and thus be far more effective, and less liable to panic. This will come as major surprise for the Japanese, who have previously only faced ineffectual or corrupt civil authorities during their conflict in China. The improvements made to both the basic civil infrastructure and civil defence, will ensure that the collapse of civil society, seen in China and Malaya and Singapore IOTL. Which while they did occur initially in all nations subjected to air attacks, as long as the authorities maintain their own internal control, the general population will become used to air attacks, and generally continue to live the lives as best they can. And if the government can maintain control, the Japanese will find that the mostly easy advance that the enjoyed IOTL, will become instead become an difficult.

The reorganisation of the civil administration that has taken place under the new Governor, his replacement of a number of stuck in the mud colonial fossils, addicted to ridged processes, at the expense of immediate pressing needs. Is not only improving the defence environment, but is also the first step in turning what are at present, a collection of semi independent states, into what will become a unified Federation post war. While on the military front, the forces are being turned from a colonial police force, into a first rate force, capable of fighting against any local enemy and beating them. By the time of the Japanese invasion, other than those units that are slated for internal security duties only. All of the infantry, and the majority of the artillery, engineers and other support personnel, will have completed their basic training, and moved onto the more advanced training including operations in the jungle. While there will be very little armoured support, what there is will also have been trained in local conditions, and have been exposed to the local forces if only so that they have at least seen a tank/armoured car, before meeting it in action. The old trick of making infantry lie down in the path of a tank, and touch the tracks before being able to roll away, might seem like a waste of time. But it does remove some of the fear and mystery, that tanks induce into troops that have only recently seen motor vehicles. The exercises being performed by the new anti aircraft gunners along with the civil defence organisation, police, fire brigade, and other military and government organisations will pay big dividends when inevitably Singapore in particular come under air assault. And remember that unlike the British who had no first hand experience of air assault with advanced aircraft, there are a number of men overseeing these exercises, that have been at the shape end, and very much know what works and what doesn’t.

Note these changes haven’t made the defence of Malaya an easy task, it is going to be a hard fought, brutal and bloody campaign. The civilian population both those who end up under Japanese occupation, and those who stay under British rule, are going to suffer what to them is unimaginable tribulations. Malaya wasn’t conquered in a series of colonial wars, but was essentially bought, Singapore, or entered into originally trading agreements with the local rulers. While there was some very savage civil disturbances, remember the British term, to run amok, comes from Malaya. The various regions have existed mostly peacefully for some time, and Malaya has suffered in the way others have from internal conflicts, or the ravages of the Great Depression. What is coming down the road, is going to be a serious shock to the Malayan community, both ethnic Malay, Chinese, European and others. But after the initial shock and given the preparations made and time to adjust, it’s going to be the Japanese who have the greatest shock. Used up until now to being able to completely dominate the local population and the military opposition, they are going to find themselves fighting a formidable military and competent administration. This opposition will come as a complete blow to the Japanese self belief in their superiority over everyone else, and how they thanks to their Bushido spirit, can overcome any opposition. As the Japanese have compleat control over all the sources of information, unfortunately neither the troops or the Japanese civilian population, will receive any reports of the events in Malaya. They are only going to fed glowing reports of the fantastic success in defeating the hated oppressive European regimes that have been subjugating their fellow asiatics.

RR.

Sorry one and all this post was meant to be on the timeline Malaya What If, my bad.
 
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What the BR version?
BR had an extraordinary ability to take OK food, and turn it into something that looked the same, but was more inedible than the packaging.
Adding english mustard to any of it was probably a good idea, as it is sufficiently strong to mask the "taste".
Possibly why BR didn't have mustard available, or an empty mustard container, as a additional act of cruelty to paying passengers.
 
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Ah the discussion here (as usual in British timelines) is just about BR catering
It used to be said that if you visited Euston station before 07:00 you could see them putting the sandwiches into curlers ready for their sale.

However this was all a couple of generations ago.
 
Charming fellow, all that suffering and horror and money is still his guiding star...
just look up what he did to his daughter - he not only liked hitler, but his actions with regards to his daughter show that he would fit right in with that genocidal bunch
Not to mention as a "failure" (especially if he "ducked out" while others are still holding the line or even rolling the enemy back elsewhere) FDR can simply bury him due to an already ruined rep.
I'd love to see mcarthur to become the TTL fredendall.
relieved of duty for the same reasons
I think with this we should discount the US Submarines to a degree until they get working torpedoes.
wouldn't it be funny if the dutch torpedo shop in surabaya came up with a fix? (i mean even the submarine's engineers came up with fixes, so totally possible)
it needs 3 things
1. stronger firing pin (something sub engineers sometimes did themselves)
2. it needs to run less deep (ditto)
3. switch off the magnetic detonator

the big difference being that if a torpedo shop came up with fixes, the chances of being listened to might be higher than when the sub captains said it.
 
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wouldn't it be funny if the dutch torpedo shop in surabaya came up with a fix? (i mean even the submarine's engineers came up with fixes, so totally possible)
it needs 3 things
1. stronger firing pin (something sub engineers sometimes did themselves)
2. it needs to run less deep (ditto)
3. switch off the magnetic detonator
1. Hit at a shallower angle
2. Set running depth to 0 feet.
3. Yes.

Of course, the first two aren't going to fix the problems, but they will improve the chances of a hit and detonation until said fixes can be implemented.
 
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1. Hit at a shallower angle
no, the pin was a leftover from the older design it was taken from, which was running at a lower speed, so the pin simply wasn't adequate.
some sub engineers fixed it by replacing the pin with one made from duralumin taken from downed japanese aircraft.
the hit at shallower angler is just a temp fix, you want the torpedo to be able to hit from more than just a narrow angle.

and for 2 just recognising this and issuing official appropriate guidelines would be a huge step forward (instead of informal word of mouth between skippers)
 
no, the pin was a leftover from the older design it was taken from, which was running at a lower speed, so the pin simply wasn't adequate.
some sub engineers fixed it by replacing the pin with one made from duralumin taken from downed japanese aircraft.
the hit at shallower angler is just a temp fix, you want the torpedo to be able to hit from more than just a narrow angle.
You did read the last sentence of my post, yes? That's pretty much what I said. Not a fix, but a temporary work-around until a fix is ready.
 
8 February 1942. Tripoli, Libya.
8 February 1942. Tripoli, Libya.

General Wavell stepped out of the Lockheed Hudson which had carried him back from a secret meeting with General Weygand, the French Governor of Algeria. Work on resolving the issue of Vichy controlled North Africa and Levant had been continuing quietly for months, to the point where Wavell and Weygand could meet face to face.

Weygand was drifting further away from the direction being taken in Vichy, and with O’Connor’s 8th Army sitting on his doorstep, the implied threat was helping focus his mind. The Americans had been instrumental in getting discussions started, but it would much later in the year before they had sufficient Divisions available to get involved in the war in Africa and Europe. The British however had been using the months since the defeat of Italian North Africa to rest and regroup.

More reinforcements were still arriving in Egypt, even if more were being shipped to Burma and Malaya. Rehearsals for an island-hopping campaign to knock the Italians out of some of their Mediterranean islands was reaching its climax. The capture of so much Italian, and some German equipment, had been a real boon to the Greek army which was being rebuilt. The RAF, while diverting some of its strength to the Far East, was also being improved and built up in Malta and North Africa. The American built P40 Kittyhawks were replacing the earlier Tomahawks, and more squadrons of Beaufighters were arriving in theatre. The pressure on the RAF to release Spitfires was growing, but still hadn't been agreed to.

Weygand was still wary of the consequences of his switching sides would have in Metropolitan France. The German occupation of the whole country would be a terrible result, but the promises of American Lend-Lease equipment to build up his French army, with a view to the liberation of France, was enticing. Despite the Japanese attack in the Far East, the British Empire was still strong enough to contain that threat while building up its forces in Africa. The surrender of French IndoChina to the Japanese had been embarrassing enough, but having to rely on the Americans to protect New Caledonia and other French holdings in the Pacific was a reminder of just how low France had fallen.

Weygand had been sounding out the other French Governors: Pierre Boisson (French West Africa), Armand Annet (Madagascar), Henri Dentz (Levant). Pierre Nouailhetas in French Somalialand hadn’t been contacted, as word of his extraordinary brutality made him a liability. In each and every case their problem with the so-called “Free French” was Charles de Gaulle. Colonel Phillipe ‘Leclerc’ Hauteclocque, who had persuaded French Equatorial Africa to join the ‘Free French’ had also got involved, keen to bring all of the French Empire away from the Vichy regime. Leclerc (his nom de guerre) wasn’t as tainted in the eyes of Weygand as de Gaulle was. Leclerc now held the rank of temporary Brigadier-General, which Weygand didn’t recognise, he was still a Colonel according to normal French army protocol. Leclerc, along with Félix Éboué, the Governor of Equatorial Africa, were keen for Weygand to take up the mantle of leader of the Free French. His senior military and civilian positions had more weight than that of de Gaulle, whose personality seemed to hinder any attempts to build bridges.

The reason for the secret meeting with General Wavell was to clarify British intentions. Having a victorious army camped out close to the border with Tunisia had focused the minds of the French army there and also in Algeria and Morocco. Having seen the way in which the Italians, even with German help, destroyed so completely and relatively quickly, was worrying.

The French Army in North Africa, while quite numerous, was poorly equipped, and had very limited capacity to improve that situation locally. The way the Germans had ordered Petain about to remove Weygand from his post in Algeria was yet another insult to the defeated nation. The fact that Weygand had refused to return to France was seen as a form of resistance. With Weygand in command, rather than de Gaulle, the people of France would see that France was not fully defeated, that it fought on, ready to liberate the country when the time was right. The alternative was to fight the British 8th Army and be as roundly defeated by the British as the French Army had been by the Germans. That was a humiliation that could not be countenanced.

Generals Wavell and Weygand’s paths had crossed in 1918 in the Supreme Allied War Council, though Weygand was a number of grades above Wavell. Likewise, they had both served in the Middle East between the wars, and Wavell’s command of French was sufficient to forego the need for a translator. As professional soldiers, the two men broke the ice by talking about the campaigns they had commanded. The defence of France after Weygand took over, and Wavell’s defeat of the Italians gave them plenty to talk over.

Wavell, who hadn’t even told Churchill about the meeting, was keen to hear which way the Frenchman was leaning. Weygand knew full well that should the 8th Army invade Tunisia, the loss of Algeria and Morocco would follow. Wavell knew this too, but his men would be better off fighting the real enemy, rather than those who until recently had been allies and co-belligerents. Wavell wanted to avoid bloodshed, but made it clear that should Vichy order Weygand to fight the British, as a pawn of the Germans, then the French would suffer the same fate as the Italians. On the other hand, should Weygand take up the mantle of leadership of the Free French, then both the British and the Americans would help the French Army in North Africa prepare for the liberation of France.

This came as no surprise to Weygand, and he could see in Wavell a steely determination, as well as a man seeking peace rather than conflict. The problem however was not intrinsically military, it was political. If Weygand raised the Cross of Lorraine and declared himself the leader of France in exile, then the consequences would have to be faced. De Gaulle had been in the right place at the right time to promise that France would fight on. But de Gaulle was too much a divisive figure to rally all Frenchmen to the Cross of Lorraine. Weygand would certainly be the better figurehead, but he was interested more in military matters than politics. Yes, he had served briefly as Minister of Defence in the Vichy government, but he wasn’t a politician at heart.

This was something that Wavell could empathise with, but he noted how often in a military career that it brought soldiers into the political sphere. If Weygand were to declare that he was the military leader of the resistance, and promise that re-establishing civilian control was as much a priority as the liberation of the homeland, then perhaps those not convinced by de Gaulle, might be more inclined to join the fight against the Nazis. Weygand said that it was thought worth more pondering, and the meeting ended, with the two men parting, perhaps not as friends, but with a greater degree of mutual understanding.
 
News of that meeting WILL reach Vichy and Berlin. Weygand is just about out of time, he's going to be ordered back to France and then when he refuses be declared a rebel. That or someone is going to try a more direct method of removing him.
 
News of that meeting WILL reach Vichy and Berlin. Weygand is just about out of time, he's going to be ordered back to France and then when he refuses be declared a rebel. That or someone is going to try a more direct method of removing him.
Even worse it will probably reach De Gaulle
 
If word gets to Berlin that Weygand is seriously considering uniting French North Africa with the Free French, the only question is whether the Germans send Axis troops to Algeria and Tunisia to "oversee" the disarming of the French Army in North Africa or just go full Case Anton immediately. If Vichy can't keep the British out of the French colonies it's of no further use to them.

If word gets to de Gaulle (almost certain), expect a major tantrum and insistence that control of North Africa, rightfully belongs to the Free French rather than the Allies or resprayed Vichyites.

Weygand OTL was apparently severely anti-Semitic - something that would likely be less of an issue to the Allies in 1942 than it would be later - and driven mainly by the desire to preserve the integrity of the French Empire. He won't want either side occupying Tunisia (still less Algeria), but if he has to come off the fence, better a Free-ish French administration than an Allied occupation government.
 
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